Trilogy?

[Alexandrite]

Curse of the Black Pearl was Such a great movie !!

BUT - I don't believe it was EVER meant to be part One of a trilogy. It's a wonderfully stand alone movie.

Dead Mans Chest seems to me - soooo weak. Trying really hard to form a plot line. And then AWE - can we do any more CGI??

Curse was great because the CGI was tastefully used, not overpowering. Davy Jones beard was Great and necessary. It was as though there was a contest to see how much CGI you could put in one movie....

I think Jack would have been better served to have gone the route of the Indiana Jones movies - they ALL stand alone !

what say you?

[Rekpoed]

I believe we have an accord. Sometimes bigger and better is not always the best way to go.

That said, I wanted a sequel so bad, I gladly accepted it.

[Lady Scarlette]

Accord! CotBP is a stand alone movie! I wouldn't call them a trilogy as Disney wasn't even sure that CotBP would be a hit. They didn't even merchandise for it until much later. DMC was OK, but not really my favourite. I too, was just sooooooo eager for another shot of Hector and Jack. It was a bit dark in nature of story line, but brilliant anyway. It seems to be the beginning of another story rather than a continuation of CotBP. The only link to CotBP in my mind is that Hector comes back, and that is at the end of DMC. AWE seems to be a continuation of DMC and not even remotely related to CotBP. They all seem to build on one another while not being neccesarily sequels. Am I making any sense here?????

[burnin4turner]

I'd say COTBP could stand alone or be the into to a trilogy. DMC, it has to have a sequel following it, with that ending, and so many things left unanswered. AWE wouldn't be able to stand by itself either; too many things that would have been left as occurred before the movie, that we wouldn't understand as the movie went on. As much CGI as there was, I loved every pixilated moment of it!
I agree w/ LS that as soon as Disney saw how monster COTBP was becoming, they quickly starting spinning things to carry it forward. I'm so glad they did, but I *think* if they had stopped, we would have been none the wiser, and gone on our merry way.
Now they've spoiled us, and we want more!

[Kanike]

I see them as one movie...then two others. LOL They could have stopped with the first one, but if they had I never would have got into it like I have. I didn't see CotBP until AFTER I saw DMC. At the time, I was trying to decide if I liked Orlando Bloom or not. I decided he was kinda OK and just FELL for little Mr. Turner.

I liked all three movies, because they had a special 'ambiance' to them. I know AWE had a ton of CGI in it, but that was OK for me. I like fantasy movies, I like to escape into them and totally enjoy the world that's in front of me for a couple hours. While the ending of AWE upset me for a few different reasons, I think they barely scratched the surface of the stories they could spin with all the characters.

Don't think I can really pick a favorite, honestly. Right now I'm rather into CotBP, I guess because it's the happier and lighter of the three, and I kinda need that right now.

[Alexandrite]

Aye, lighter... CotBP has a witty Jack.
I would rather have less CGI and more Jack talk.

Agree with the one movie and then 2 movies....

I still think they should do the continuing stories of Jack Sparrow.. Next up is Jack and the Fountain of Youth....

DMC was good but disappointing to me. Always good to see Jack again
and in AWE the multiple Jacks were wonderful to watch - but seemed like 'filler' to me.....

[MangyMoll]

it was definately a filler darlin...and one I had no problem accepting wholeheartedly...

[Rekpoed]

Watching Jack...we done what's right by us!!!

In the first movie, you never knew exactly where Jack stood and that was the fun of it. Yet in the end, you knew he was 'a good man'... Part of what got me with DMC was the things we were expected to know. I had no clue that the 'why is the rum gone...oh, that's why' had anything to do with Elizabeth. And why did Jack owe Davy Jones? For raising the Pearl? What had happened to the Pearl? It just created a need for a better explanation of back story to me.

And why or why was the 'mark we left on each other' never answered????

Maybe we should start a backstory topic...

[Phalkor]

It is a perfect part of the trilogy, mates.

[Alexandrite]

Rek
All your points are valid and I agree !

[Phalkor]

CotBP was different from DMC, just as DMC was different from AWE. You all feel it is a single movie because of the release dates- difference. I checked- A person who sees them all in three days, sees the PERFECT connection between them.

I'm surprised at you, Alex. DMC- weak?
Is it weak because of the splendid acting? Because of the brilliant storyline and action combined? Because it brought many new INTERESTING characters? Because every single character is developed in it?
I don't get it.

And just because AWE is full with CGI, does NOT mean that all the other stuff we worse. There are so many moments in it that you just can't forget. Yes, there was a lot of CGI. But: YES, there was something so new and exciting about it, YES the plot was great and sophisticated, HELL YES the characters are loved and well played.

[Alexandrite]

Yes, DMC has Davy Jones and crew - magnificient !! It's the story line I am talking about. To me, it really doesn't seem to FLOW. I Love the pelegostos !! But it starts all over in DMC. Sure we know Jack, Will, Lizzy from the first movie - but, I think you really don't need to see the first one atall. DMC and AWE are a story. CotBP is a story......

[Phalkor]

you are wrong. CotBP is a story. DMC is a story. AWE is a story.
Yes, DMC had a cliffhanger, but it is a movie on its own nontheless.
And all together, PotC is the best story ever.
Weak storyline? It was a SMART storyline. First, Elizabeth and will just started the change in their lives, which will end by the end of AWE. Then, we've all seen Jack in CotBP, sailing to his freedom. BUT we do hear about the Pearl, and with to know more about its past.
And you can NOT tell me CotBP left you unwilling to know what happened to Bootstrap. He was loved by us before we even saw him, and I adored him more after DMC.
DMC and AWE were necessary! Will's task after his father's freedom, and his peace with himself for knowing he didn't kill him for one, Elizabeth and Will's love, like in any other, need to go through adventures to strengthen is, and DMC did that too. AWE finishes all that was left from the first two films, showed us even more history of Jack, Barbossa, added SO many aweseome characters, and finally, our two lovers/heroes are grown.

You can't ask for more.

[MangyMoll]

but you can hope that you will get more.. they have left many avenues we could learn mopre about. but I take the point of Liz and Will growing and completing the journey and ending together...at least that is how I saw it...

[JacksSavvyLass]

I certainly don't think they ever intended for this to become a trilogy. But, it just became so huge, that they couldn't resisit mate! I certain;y think that all three films have their good points and their weak spots. I would say that DMC and AWE are my two favorites, because of the complex plot line and the fantasy element. I enjoy working my brain. I love CotBP, but the over all outcome was your typical Disney ending and I liked it when they changed it up.

[Precious Pearl]

And why did Jack owe Davy Jones? For raising the Pearl? What had happened to the Pearl?

Just for a bit of backstory (I learned this while answering a poll asking us fans if we would be interested in a prequel on one of me other boards), it had something to do with Beckett and the East India Trading Company. I don't know if ye know this, but Jack used to work for that weasel (no offense) back in the days when he was an "honest" seaman and the Black Pearl was known as the Wicked Wench, a well-known merchant ship. Beckett commissioned Jack to "deliver cargo on my behalf", but when Jack found out the "cargo" was human, he refused to settle the deal. This angered Beckett so much that he hunted down the ship and set her ablaze, and sometime after that branded Jack a pirate, which had nothing to do with his past, but everything to do with his future. That's why Jack made a deal with Davy Jones to raise the ship from the depths in exchange for his soul (he would have to serve 100 years on the Dutchman, and you know that the longer you serve on the Dutchman, the less human you become, until you become a part of the ship itself). Because of the ship's blackened appearance, Jack later re-named her the Black Pearl. This is also the main reason I despise Beckett so much, the little blighter got what he deserved! When he attempted to do it again near the end of AWE, I was so angry that I didn't care who heard me (luckily, I be a little on the quiet side, so I don't yell that loud)! Does that answer yer question, mate? I hope this was the right place to post me response. If ye get the Pirates' Code...er, I mean, Guidelines, it also explains this in Gibbs' own perspective.

[burnin4turner]

Nice! Thanks for the backstory! (did they mention what sort of mark Jack left on Beckett?) Did anything come out of the poll?

[Phalkor]

All the info you need can be found here: http://www.piratehome.com

[JacksSavvyLass]

That is part of why I love POTC. The backstory is just so amazing and so well put together. The Jack and Beckett deal led to quite a chain of events, huh????

B4T, I don't think that we are ever destined to know what mark Jack left on Beckett. I guess we are supposed to use our imagination.

[Rekpoed]

I'm still rooting for the fact Jack 'mark' left Beckett a eunuch...

Thanks Precious!!!! Interesting indeed...I have that book, but have yet to read it.

[MangyMoll]

well Rek, your explanation would certainly give great reason that we were not SHOWN ...its a Disney movie, mate...cant be scaring the kiddiewinkles...but a truly interesting notion , all the same..

[burnin4turner]

I'm still rooting for the fact Jack 'mark' left Beckett a eunuch...

Thanks Precious!!!! Interesting indeed...I have that book, but have yet to read it.

We were thinkin' it, Rek just said it!

[Eliza Castle]

Will did glance down when he asked Beckett what mark Jack had left on him so maybe that is the problem! Couldn't happen to a more deserving fellow.

[JacksSavvyLass]

That seems to be the general idea of what the mark is. I think that night be it, since Disney didn't put it in the films.

[Rekpoed]

They (Disney) didn't have any problem with the word eunuch being used in the film...I think Ted and Terry could have pulled off a way of getting it into the film, including Will's innuendo look...maybe the film editor did the snip, snip!!!

[Eliza Castle]

It would certainly explain quite a bit!

[burnin4turner]

So Beckett's the one with the lovely singing voice!

[Rekpoed]

Beckett always gets to do a solo during the EITC summer tours...

[Calico Krys]

I agree with the fact it was never meant to be a trilogy.

As to the storylines, on one of the fanfic groups I'm in, one writer looked at the three movies and created a point of view that they really are Elizabeth's story. Fascinating perspective and when you look at all three movies from that angle, it works.

[MangyMoll]

that scenario can be applied to any character, mate.. we used to play a game of relating the story, from Gibbs POV, then from Norringtons, then from te Governors... it works every time..as each character has a role to play in the tangled web of the story, so do they have a unique perspective of the tale from their eyes.

Its like the childrens game of everyone witnessing an event and then recounting it... no two people will have the same rendition... very interesting.

[Rekpoed]

I like using that scenario with me as a character, because I always end up with Jack...

And now back to the real world...

The ending of CotBP was so light hearted, for lack of a better term. Jack had his ship and a crew ready to serve. I was very surprised at the immediate darkness of Dead Man's Chest, although it prepared you for the story to come.

[meowbooks]

As to the storylines, on one of the fanfic groups I'm in, one writer looked at the three movies and created a point of view that they really are Elizabeth's story. Fascinating perspective and when you look at all three movies from that angle, it works.

If you listen to CotBP's commentary Ted and Terry mention Elizabeth is the character everyone else is connected to.

I see CotBP as one movie and DMC and AWE as two halves of one movie. You can't have one without the other. Plus, if it's looked at that way...the trilogy isn't complete. Oy, where's the third movie?

[SeaTurtle]

^ That is a very good point, meow. We want our third movie!

[meowbooks]

I like your new signature and icon!

[Hello Poppet]

^^ Psst ... me too, ST ...

[SeaTurtle]

Aw, thanks! *hugs you both*

[Esther Sparrow]

well Rek, your explanation would certainly give great reason that we were not SHOWN ...its a Disney movie, mate...cant be scaring the kiddiewinkles...but a truly interesting notion , all the same..

"Mommy what's a eunuch? And why does he go snip snip there???"